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Unlocking Legal Marketing Through Podcasting with Dennis Meador

In today’s digital-first world, the legal industry is facing a powerful shift. Gone are the days when all you needed was a Yellow Pages ad or a big billboard to grow your firm. Now, success hinges on how well you can build authority, connect with clients, and tell your story.

One of the most exciting and surprisingly effective tools for doing this is podcasting.

In a recent episode of Letters of Intent, our very own Pankaj Raval sat down with Dennis Meador, the founder of The Legal Podcast Network. Dennis has made it his mission to help attorneys transform how they market their firms by leveraging the incredible reach and intimacy of podcasts.

What came out of their conversation was not just marketing advice; it was a roadmap for how lawyers can harness storytelling, consistency, and the power of digital media to scale their practice.

Let’s unpack the biggest lessons from their discussion and explore why podcasting is fast becoming an essential tool for attorneys who want to stay ahead of the curve.

Two business professionals analyzing marketing charts and legal growth metrics on a wooden desk.
Law firm team reviewing marketing analytics and podcast performance data to boost client engagement.

From Billboards to Podcasts: How Legal Marketing Has Changed

If you’ve ever driven down a busy street in Los Angeles, Miami, or any other large city, you’ve probably seen giant billboards for personal injury lawyers. They’re hard to miss.

For decades, law firms relied on this kind of blanket branding. Whoever could spend the most on billboards, newspaper ads, or Yellow Pages listings usually won the local market. It was a game of who could stay most visible.

But digital media has completely reshaped this landscape.

As Dennis puts it, “We’re no longer in an age of bought media. We’re in an age of earned media.” In other words, success today isn’t about paying for the most ads, it’s about creating valuable, trust-building content that clients actively seek out.

This has effectively leveled the playing field. Now, a solo practitioner or small firm can compete for visibility alongside massive players simply by investing time and effort into meaningful, strategic content.

Why Podcasting Works So Well for Lawyers

So what makes podcasting so powerful, especially for attorneys?

It’s all about building trust.

Dennis shared that over 80% of people hire a lawyer without ever setting foot in their office. That means clients are making their decisions based on what they find online. Your website, your videos, your reviews and increasingly, your podcast episodes.

Podcasting allows potential clients to hear your voice, understand your expertise, and get a sense of your personality long before they ever pick up the phone. This does two critical things:

  1. Builds authority. You become the clear, trusted expert on the topics that matter to your target clients.

  2. Builds rapport. By hearing you answer questions and share insights, potential clients start to feel like they know you, and people hire who they trust.

Out-Positioning, Not Out-Spending

One of the smartest things Dennis said was:

“If you can’t outspend them, out-position them.”

Most small law firms aren’t going to outspend massive PI shops with $100,000/month ad budgets. But you can absolutely out-position them.

How? By becoming the go-to resource on the specific legal issues your ideal clients care about.

For example:

  • A business lawyer in Los Angeles can start a podcast answering common questions about partnership agreements or startup disputes.

  • A family lawyer can create episodes about how second homes are handled in a divorce.

  • An immigration attorney can break down the latest visa updates for entrepreneurs.

By owning these niche conversations, you become the clear expert people turn to, long before they ever search “lawyer near me.”

The Power of Storytelling & Audience Understanding

Dennis didn’t get into marketing because of a fancy degree; he got into it because he saw firsthand how stories and psychology drive decision-making.

He shared a simple but telling moment from his life: driving past a McDonald’s billboard and knowing his passenger would mention wanting McDonald’s minutes later.

Why? Because branding and consistent exposure work.

But here’s the crucial difference in the modern era:
You don’t have to be McDonald’s. You don’t need to plaster your face on 20 billboards.

You just have to create content that your ideal clients actively want to consume.

That means understanding:

  • Who are you trying to reach?

  • What keeps them up at night?

  • What questions are they already typing into Google?

When your podcast (or any content) answers those specific questions, you’re not just building authority, you’re meeting clients exactly where they are in their decision-making journey.

Why Podcasting is Perfectly Suited for Attorneys

Most lawyers are already trained to do one thing exceptionally well: talk.
They’re great at explaining concepts, breaking down complex ideas, and answering questions on the fly.

Podcasting simply captures that strength. As Dennis put it:

“We’re harnessing your innate ability for your own benefit.”

By turning on a camera and a microphone, you transform that natural skill into a scalable marketing asset.

Even better? A single 20-minute podcast episode can be repurposed into:

  • Short video clips for LinkedIn or Instagram

  • Audiograms for Facebook

  • Written FAQs for your website

  • Blog posts (like this one!)

  • Email newsletter content

This means one conversation can drive dozens of touchpoints with your audience across multiple platforms. And the more often people see you, the more they trust you.

Playing the Long Game: Why Marketing is About Consistency

One of the most important takeaways from the episode was the idea that good marketing is never a quick fix.

Back in the day, you might pay for a newspaper ad and see the phone start ringing. Now, success is about earning trust over time.

Dennis warned that too many lawyers record four podcast episodes, don’t immediately land a client, and decide it’s not worth continuing. The reality is that most people are lurkers. They watch your videos, listen to your podcasts, or read your posts for months before ever reaching out.

The good news?
This means by the time they do call, they’re often ready to hire you. They’ve already decided you’re the expert they want.

So give it time. Trust compounds. Stay consistent, and the payoff will come.

Leveraging Global Talent to Scale Your Marketing

Another fascinating part of Dennis’s story is how he’s scaled his marketing company using global teams.

Today, he runs a company with staff across the U.S., Pakistan, the Philippines, and even manages operations from Belize. This global approach allows his firm to create 30+ pieces of content from a single podcast episode, including video reels, posts, and long-form articles.

For attorneys, this is a game changer. It means:

  • You don’t have to figure out all the editing, design, or posting yourself.

  • You can stay focused on what you do best (serving clients), while still building an impressive digital footprint.

Whether you use a service like Dennis’s or assemble your own team, the big takeaway is that global talent and tech have made high-level marketing accessible even to solo practitioners.

What Makes a Great Legal Podcast?

So, how does an attorney create a podcast that actually helps grow their firm?

Here are a few key ingredients from Dennis and Pankaj’s discussion:

🎯 1. Focus on your niche

Don’t try to talk about everything. Identify your ideal client and the specific legal questions they have. Build each episode around solving their problems.

💬 2. Make it conversational

Podcasting works best when it feels authentic. Skip the stiff scripts. Have a co-host or interviewer ask questions just like a client might and answer them in your natural voice.

📝 3. Repurpose your content

A podcast by itself is powerful, but its real magic is in how you can slice it up. Create clips for TikTok or Instagram, write blog posts from the transcripts, and turn highlights into LinkedIn posts.

⏳ 4. Be patient

It takes time to see traction. Keep producing episodes, stay consistent, and trust the process. Authority doesn’t happen overnight, but it does happen with repetition.

Why This Matters for Growing Your Law Firm

So why does all of this matter?

Because at the end of the day, marketing isn’t about flashy tactics. It’s about building trust.

When someone needs a lawyer, whether for a business transaction, a partnership dispute, or trademark help, they’re often making one of the biggest decisions of their life. They want to hire someone they feel knows their stuff and who they like personally.

Podcasting lets them build that relationship with you before they ever step foot in your office. It turns cold prospects into warm leads.

And as Dennis emphasized, most attorneys say:

“If I can just get them across the desk from me, I can sign them.”

Podcasting is how you get more of them across that desk.

Final Thoughts: Your Long-Term Marketing Advantage

We live in an incredible time. Digital media has opened doors that small and mid-sized firms could only dream of 20 years ago.

You don’t need a $50,000/month billboard budget to compete anymore. You just need a smartphone, a microphone, and a clear strategy for speaking to your clients’ real concerns.

Whether it’s podcasting, thoughtful video, or articles that answer burning questions, the lawyers who invest in these assets now are setting themselves up for long-term dominance. They’re playing the smart game, building trust today that pays dividends for years to come.

Want to Explore How This Could Work for You?

At Carbon Law Group, we don’t just help clients with business transactions, intellectual property, or contract disputes. We also love helping entrepreneurs think through how to grow and protect their brands from every angle, including smart, modern marketing.

If you’d like to explore how podcasting and authority-building content could integrate with your legal or business growth strategy, reach out.

We’re always here to chat about your business goals, your legal needs, or just where to start on this exciting journey.

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Unlocking Legal Marketing Through Podcasting with Dennis Meador

Pankaj Raval (00:04)
welcome back to Letters of Intent. I am Pankaj Raval, your host, our cohost, Sahil Chaudry on a Vacation. And today we have a special guest, Dennis Meador, who is a savant when it comes to legal marketing. And if you’re an attorney, if you’re in the legal space, you’re gonna definitely wanna notes on this episode because you’re gonna get a lot of really great insights.

Dennis is the founder of the Legal Podcast Network where he delivers turnkey podcasting solutions tailored for attorneys and other legal professionals across the United With over two decades of legal marketing, Dennis is driven by a clear mission to help attorneys build authority, grow their practices, and connect meaningfully with audiences through the power of podcasting. And we’re gonna talk a lot podcasting is important in this day and

a lifelong entrepreneur, Dennis launched his first business at 14 and has since scaled multiple companies from under one million to multi-million dollar revenues in record time. His marketing acumen and instinct for growth are matched by a deep passion for storytelling and content creation.

In 2019, Dennis hosted a successful food, music, and culture in Austin, Texas, which I definitely want to hear more experience that deepened his appreciation for authentic audio content inspired by his current venture. Today, he leverages his background in business development and media to make a professional-grade podcasting accessible and effective for legal experts nationwide. Dennis, welcome to the podcast. Thank you for joining

Dennis “DM” Meador (01:22)
Thank you for putting together that mouthful of stuff that just says, hey, there’s a market around the show.

Pankaj Raval (01:30)
do marketing in so many different ways and I feel like you’ve really encapsulated very well what it do. So it’s wonderful to have you here. at Carbon Law Group, we talk about how to grow and scale businesses and marketing is a big part of it. How do you grow and scale? oftentimes through marketing, sales, and there’s different elements to it. And we’ve had people on in the past.

I’d love to kind a little bit more about you into this space. Obviously there’s a lot of podcasts today, but podcasting has not been around for that long. So what drew you to this space and what made you focus also on working with lawyers?

Dennis “DM” Meador (02:03)
So drawn to the podcasting space specifically, I did that podcast back in Austin. And really, I enjoyed that process. I didn’t do it for monetization. I went in and I was just like, get three, four cameras. I’m gonna get two sound guys. I’m gonna get a gopher person. I forget what they’re called, something. And I’m gonna just do this thing. I had my other business, so I was able to kind of

You know, we have these like fun hobbies that cost us too much money and we’d like to pretend that they’re business things. And then we walk away, we say, I learned this lesson, therefore it’s okay, I spent that money to do And so that was kind of what that project was. I was just wanna come in. I’ll be honest, when I walk through Austin, Texas, I want people to go, hey, I know that guy. you know? I was came up with this concept, it was called ATXAF.

If you know you’re like kind of vernacular, you know what we were what we were kind of edgy with kind of edgy with it, I guess. But we had a good time. We would have entrepreneurs, we would have chefs, we would have influencers, we would have musicians, and we would just sit down, we would actually do them on location at different cool little spots all around Austin, we would set up our whole thing. And we would set up for five, six hours and just just do back to back podcasts. And then, you know, I think

Pankaj Raval (02:47)
acronyms yes yes if you’re if you’re hip yes

Dennis “DM” Meador (03:13)
We did it for three months. put out 60 something episodes in three months and I spent north of $150,000 on it. No monetization. I learned biggest production quality when it comes to this accessible media age that we live Everybody’s a TV star So biggest way that you can differentiate yourself off of a cell phone.

Pankaj Raval (03:38)
Yeah.

Dennis “DM” Meador (03:37)
get onto a real camera, get

into some real lighting with a real background and present yourself that way. And I learned that lesson. And so having learned that day job has been for 20 years working with attorneys. When it came time to make my next had a partnership and we kind of parted ways, grow the company and then, you whatever. I launched this and it was just one of those things that like attorneys had been asking me.

They were just like, do you do podcasts? so that was kind of in my head. So when it was time, I grabbed out my book of business ideas. Normally has 50 workable ideas, 20 that I could take to market in a week. I think most entrepreneurs are like that. Maybe it’s in your phone notes or voice notes or whatever. But if your brain works like most entrepreneurs, that’s where you get I started specifically with attorneys 20 years I was in the marketing space from the time I was 18. I don’t have a marketing degree.

Pankaj Raval (04:14)
Yes.

Dennis “DM” Meador (04:28)
I don’t hide I equivalency of an associate’s degree from a Bible institute that’s essentially means I have no education outside of my high school diploma. ⁓ But at the same time, I was always the kind of person from 14, 18, I always how to just find money, get money. And I started working at this phone sales place. They’re paying like twice minimum

Pankaj Raval (04:36)
Yeah

Dennis “DM” Meador (04:51)
But then there was this group of guys who were like selling making 30, 40 bucks an hour selling ads. So I got into advertising, did few years down the road now, still doing advertising. I’m transitioning. I’m like, listen, this is like early 2000s. I’m like, I can’t sell paper anymore. I can’t sell paper products. I just didn’t feel good about it. I was like, the internet’s not a thing. It’s going to be the So let’s jump in on this.

And my first group of people that I sold to for the internet were personal injury attorneys. They were early adopters. So I went from selling $300 ads on paper to $5,000 a month PPC packages or rotational packages within a PPC buy. And what I learned is with attorneys, they are are conditioned for the most have a discussion.

Pankaj Raval (05:38)
Mm-hmm.

Dennis “DM” Meador (05:38)
So if you say no, and I say, have you considered this? You will consider Whereas maybe other niches are a little more closed minded because they don’t have know, taught discipline of listening and being open and having a dialogue and a discourse and coming to a And that’s what I’ve enjoyed about working with attorneys for 20 years is I don’t have to use manipulative sleazy sales tactics. I don’t even know how the spin cell could name me

sales processes and I’m just like, I don’t know what those just talk to attorneys for a living. When they tell me no, I try to make sense to them. Sometimes they say that makes sense. Let’s work together. Sometimes they’re just like, leave me alone in the hang up or move on or get off the zoom call or So that’s how I got into attorneys. feel like there’s a kinship when I was a kid watching, I don’t know if you know this, there’s a show called LA Law, like back in the eighties. And I wanted to be a lawyer back

Pankaj Raval (06:08)
Yeah.

Yes, of course, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Dennis “DM” Meador (06:30)
And I’m not a lawyer, but I always tell people I play one now on Zoom mostly. But that’s how I got into working with attorneys.

Pankaj Raval (06:33)
Yes.

Interesting, so fascinating. Yeah, and know, PI lawyers are of lawyers, you know, not all lawyers are the same, obviously, many have different personalities. PI lawyers generally, those trial lawyers unique personality and are, you know, probably of the camera. So that makes sense that those would be the kind of the first that you would go for. And also money on marketing. not, you let’s be real. You know, their PPC clicks, what are like 300 bucks or something. It’s crazy, you know.

Dennis “DM” Meador (06:44)
yeah.

Mm-hmm.

yeah,

yeah. mean, Google doesn’t even talk to an attorney unless they’re spending 10K a month. They’re just like, go find a vendor that’ll spend your little $5,000. So bar is very high for the legal industry as far as that kind of stuff.

Pankaj Raval (07:01)
It’s.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly, exactly.

This

band, yeah, it’s fascinating, really interesting. So it sounds like got a degree from the school of the hard knocks, as I like to say, because you’ve kind through it, you’ve tried you’ve done it, which I the key to a lot of entrepreneurs. And this is because I see that in working with daily basis. So people actually have a lot of education that are actually most hesitant to go out on their own because they think they more they got a reputation now.

I think it’s that when you have nothing to lose, more willing to take those risks. So think that’s great were able to do that and try it. And it sounds like you’ve pivoted into a lot of different areas.

Dennis “DM” Meador (07:49)
Yeah, I mean, I’ve done I’ve done social I’ve done I’ve had a text company like marketing company, I’ve done SEO, PPC branding, all through the years, I’ve tried different things, partnerships, not partnerships. And it’s always just been, something I’ve always enjoyed, I got into marketing, because I just noticed how influenced people were around me by marketing. And I was just like, want to be in marketing because like, I remember the moment I marketing is probably my thing, I’m driving down the road.

and somebody sitting next to me and I see a big McDonald’s I say in my head, not going to get a minute past that billboard. And the person sitting next to me is going to say, McDonald’s sounds I drive past that billboard. It’s out of She doesn’t like look up and you know, what is that? You know, and we drive on and like 30 seconds later, she’s McDonald’s sounds good. And it was just like something clicked in my head where I was just

Pankaj Raval (08:36)
Yeah. ⁓

Dennis “DM” Meador (08:39)
is what I want to do for a living. I mean, I can influence people in a positive way. Obviously, any power can be used for good or evil, right? But my thought process was I can influence people to connect with the right companies, the right products. I can be that person, that interpreter between the product and the person. And I’ve always loved and enjoyed doing that.

Pankaj Raval (08:40)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That’s fascinating. do you think it was about McDonald’s? What do you think has done to be able to have that effect on people?

Dennis “DM” Meador (09:06)
Well, mean, you Coca-Cola, the McDonald’s. I mean, they just play on a different playing field. They just stay in front of you at all hours of the day, and an approach that 99.9999 % of businesses can’t even begin to approach. It’s just a pure branding. I’m putting my logo out there as much as I can so that you will crave my product as much as possible. That’s why that is in that particular case.

Pankaj Raval (09:28)
Yeah.

Yeah,

it is fascinating. Yeah, the market penetration that they have, the way they’re able to get in front of people. How do you think, I mean, you’re saying, you’re driving past it, but how do you think social media, how do you think being online now has changed that? Do you think it’s leveled the playing field? Do you think it’s made it more difficult? how do you think the digital world we live in works?

Dennis “DM” Meador (09:48)
⁓ it’s definitely

leveled the playing field. know, we’re no longer in an age of bought media, we’re in an age of earned media. And if you can earn the eyeballs for whatever reason, whether it’s for your business, for your hobby, for the format of a show that you’ve created, but if you can earn those eyeballs, you know, that’s infinitely more valuable than it used to be where you paid $10,000 and got a bunch of passive eyeballs. Because now it’s not just eyeballs, it’s

Pankaj Raval (09:55)
Hmm.

Dennis “DM” Meador (10:17)
active eyeballs. That really wasn’t something that you could have outside of a Super Bowl commercial when you’re talking about marketing yourself. So I think that the internet and podcasting and YouTube and social media and all of these outlets have been the great equalizer. I mean, I’ve built a company in one year, I have 40 people across the world, we’re going to do probably $2 million this year. We’re at 1.5 ARR right now. And are people that like

Pankaj Raval (10:18)
Mm-hmm.

Hmm.

Dennis “DM” Meador (10:44)
Three in the Philippines, 15 in Pakistan, one guy in South Africa, about 15 or 20 in the US. I live in Belize, internet. this doesn’t exist outside of what we’re doing right now.

Pankaj Raval (10:51)
Yeah.

Right, Fascinating. You live in Belize. Wow. I want to made you move there?

Dennis “DM” Meador (11:02)
My now wife, when we had been dating a few months, we came down here and she was just like, this place is awesome. I’d love to live here. And I was like, we can. I mean, I work on the internet so I can live anywhere. I just have to make sure I have good internet that the electro city is on most of the time and, you know, a to live. And we moved out to this little island. It’s, you know, there was a song from Madonna back in the eighties. Last night, I dreamed of San Pedro.

Pankaj Raval (11:11)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah,

yeah, Really?

Dennis “DM” Meador (11:29)
That’s where I live, is on that

little island and San Pedro is like a mile my little house, but the whole island is also kind of many people consider it San Pedro. So yeah.

Pankaj Raval (11:36)
That’s awesome. I’ve thought about that expat

life, know, because I also work online too. I talked to my wife about, maybe we should live somewhere else for some time. that’s awesome. So it sounds like you have built a global company. know, I mean, that also seems like it’s really picked up over last five, 10 years. you been working with overseas talent for a long time or is that something new? Yeah.

Dennis “DM” Meador (11:56)
I have,

I have. I’ve been working since like maybe 2010. So I guess about 15 years now. was interesting because, you know, back then they were like hire a Filipino VA, hire a Filipino VA. I went to school a few Filipinos, had friends. I was actually in a touring like singing group and three of them were Filipinos. So we spent hours and hours in a van together and traveling across, you know, the countryside or whatever. But like learning other cultures and how to respect their culture.

Pankaj Raval (12:00)
Okay.

nice.

Dennis “DM” Meador (12:23)
makes such a difference in having a remote company. So many Americans, and even like one guy that came on my team, and he’s a friend of mine, didn’t quite work, he said, well, they’re working in an American company. They need to learn how we do things. And I said, that’s not the way it works, my man. I said, first of all, we’re all now basically global citizens. mean, sure, we’ve got the lines of delineation and we’ve got the different governments, but at the end of the day,

Pankaj Raval (12:27)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dennis “DM” Meador (12:48)
I can jump on this computer and talk to Saad who’s over my team of 17 in Lahore, Pakistan. I’m just like, hey Saad, da da da da da. And he’s like, oh yeah, yeah, I got that, blah, blah, blah. And me and him meet for a couple of hours every week. Again, it’s just and with him, same thing, finding out what drives him and what drives his we had this big giveaway and and I was giving it away to support staff if we reached a certain goal with their

Pankaj Raval (12:59)
Yeah.

Dennis “DM” Meador (13:11)
so I did this giveaway and somebody in Pakistan won the biggest prize, which is $500, is about entry that office. Like if you’re doing lower level stuff, they can make more if they do higher end so I was like, hey, like, what is he doing with it? Is he excited? Is he going to go on vacation? He’s no, we’re all having a party. He’s putting on a party for the whole office and we’re all having a get together to celebrate our accomplishment wasn’t really

Pankaj Raval (13:32)
Yeah.

Dennis “DM” Meador (13:35)
happened very much in an American office. So it’s just learning. like in the future, instead of saying, hey, I’m going to pit all you guys against each other, I’m going to say, OK, this team here, if you guys do this, you guys get this. And I know that that’s their motivation So that’s, again, that’s the thing about remote is just learning the cultures, learning what drives them, learning what offends them, what doesn’t offend them, that sort of stuff, and just trying to act within that as best you can.

Pankaj Raval (13:36)
Right, right, right.

Yeah, so true, so true. We really are living in a global world and it’s so important to have that culture. I think, I love it. I have a team, we have three people or four people in the Philippines working for us too and it’s great. I think they’re great people, trustworthy, very kind and

Dennis “DM” Meador (14:17)
have a strong aversion to confrontation. And that’s what I had to learn because I’m not a confrontational person in my mind, I’m six foot I’ve lost weight. I used to be like 350, I’m like 215 now. know, carry beard, I don’t wear because I deal with professionals, but I’ve got a lot of tattoos on me. And so like people tend to be scared of me even though

Pankaj Raval (14:20)
Right. Right.

Dennis “DM” Meador (14:40)
I’m like, you know, anybody that knows me would say I’m a teddy bear, but like I just have a way of saying things and when I’m handling business, just like, do this, do this, go here, go there, do this, do that. And I had to learn with Filipinos was more just like, hey, could you go handle that for me? Okay, thank you, I appreciate that. And just learning to do it that way versus my natural way, I went through like five Filipino VAs before I learned this. So this wasn’t like a born like phenomenal

Pankaj Raval (14:42)
Uh-huh.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Dennis “DM” Meador (15:06)
we learn making mistakes. And I lost some good people because I didn’t know how to interact with them properly on the level they needed to be interacted with.

Pankaj Raval (15:14)
Yeah,

that’s so true, so true, so interesting. so I think yeah, really interesting advice, Anyone who has a business, know, thinking about, you especially have a business that you don’t have to be in person somewhere, how do you grow your team globally? How do you leverage global talent? Because there’s so many great, so much great talent out there if you expand

globally and you’d be surprised. I definitely have been pleasantly surprised by the quality of people I’ve met over the years just hiring globally. Bringing it back to just the legal podcast network, I’d talk a little bit more an attorney, why someone in the legal profession even think What does it do? How can it help us? I have one

filmed 15, 18 episodes. what can it do the keys to success when it comes to starting your own podcast?

Dennis “DM” Meador (15:56)
So not gonna give anybody keys to success because I want them to hire me. No, I’m just kidding. But yeah, exactly. I’ve points you must do and here are three. Yeah, exactly. So think there’s two parts to the question. The first one was, first of does podcasting benefit attorneys? And then secondly,

Pankaj Raval (16:00)
Okay. You have teasers.

But I’ll tell you too.

Yeah.

Dennis “DM” Meador (16:16)
how would an attorney get started in an easy, low-friction way? So let’s talk about the first one, which is how does this benefit attorneys? go back. You talked about attorneys and spending on You’ve been every market in the US, let’s be honest, any decent sized got billboards, 95 % of them are to one PI attorney in that town. So small law firm, which is 90 % of the law

Right? There’s roughly 400,000 law firms and 360,000 of them have 10 people or less in So that kind of gives you, mean, that’s literally a 90%. So 90 percentile are in that small law firm space. How do they position and compete against a guy who’s taking that McDonald’s approach of just blanket, blanket And what I and what I tell in sessions and teaching is you can’t outspend somebody,

Pankaj Raval (16:44)
Yeah.

Dennis “DM” Meador (17:05)
out position So what we do is we use podcasting as a means to an end. The podcasting isn’t necessarily about the attorney’s It’s about creating authoritative positioning for them their ICP ideal client So essentially what we do is they come in and let’s say you’re in LA, got an immigration attorney that covers the LA market. And so when she signed on,

wanted to find who are your clients? Because immigration’s wide, right? Divorce is wide, like even you, you’re business transactional, but now you’ve niched down from business transactional to entrepreneurial growth related, growth minded businesses. So we wanna take that of who their ideal client is and we want them to own for query base set.

Pankaj Raval (17:43)
Yeah.

Dennis “DM” Meador (17:53)
questions that would be asked. And there’s two reasons why query-based, question-based is so important right now. One is query-based or question-based searches are higher thinking searches. example, I type in divorce lawyer different than typing happens to a second a divorce. And then obviously the thing picks up that I’m in LA.

Pankaj Raval (18:10)
Hmm.

Dennis “DM” Meador (18:13)
The second person, the first person could want a quickie $500 divorce. They could have no assets. They could, you know, it could be just super simple, maybe a couple of grand in and out. And listen, there are attorneys that want those clients. But if an attorney comes to me and says, I want divorces, I’m going to say, okay, what kinds of divorce? Are we talking about high asset? We’re talking about custody? We’re talking about, are you more focused on grandparents’ rights and that’s what you want to So then sessions and they can do once a month, twice a month, or four times a month.

And we develop the questions, we send them to them ahead of time, we provide a co-host, they sit down, our co-host asks the questions, they’ve been teed they’re now building, then we take have the 17 to 21 minute podcast, we put it, we build it out on YouTube, Skins, B-roll, make it look really nice for YouTube, pull the audio, put the intro outro, do everything we need to do, put it, we put it on about 25 different networks. But then we take, and like what I learned is

giving a lawyer, a small business owner, saying, here’s an asset for your like you handing me written contract. I’m gonna look at it and go, what do you want me to do with this? And marketers have this tendency of saying, here’s this beautiful asset, this podcast, this ad that I built, the business owner’s like, okay, what do I do with it?

Pankaj Raval (19:14)
Yeah.

Right.

Dennis “DM” Meador (19:27)
So what we started doing is we started making, we started off three pieces of content for every are now at 30 pieces of content for every show. That’s with AI systems and do a three tiered QA on top of systems and AI and everything else. So now we’re building like, if they do one show a month, we have 30 days of up to 10 outlets. We do all the posting for them, create all the posts.

Pankaj Raval (19:42)
Wow.

Dennis “DM” Meador (19:52)
We do shorts, reels, audiograms, static posts, and trying to become a holistic solution. And what I tell attorneys is, because here’s what every attorney tells me. If I can get them across the desk for me, I’m going to bring them on as a client every time. % of people now never step in a lawyer’s office before they make their decision. 82%.

Pankaj Raval (20:05)
Right.

Right.

Dennis “DM” Meador (20:12)
You’re telling me you’re going to wait around for the 18 % that might walk through the door. You’re not going to. So I have to take who you are and reflect that properly online. That doesn’t mean a generic website that’s a Mr. or Ms. Every Attorney a dynamic site with great content. So we also do FAQs each podcast, two, three pages for their So we can also build out a podcast page on their website.

Pankaj Raval (20:15)
Right. Right. Right.

Hmm, makes sense.

Dennis “DM” Meador (20:38)
We’re trying to create a dynamic environment for their marketing ecosystem that is very low impact for minutes and you got a month’s worth of know, give me two hours a month and I can have you a show every week, three posts a day and two to three pages of content on your site every just trying to low simple, very easy.

Pankaj Raval (20:49)
yeah.

Dennis “DM” Meador (20:59)
play to the strengths of attorneys, which is answering questions talking. I say is we’re harnessing your innate your own benefit, which again, it’s just marketing speak for you can camera out and record it. And so we just take that and spin it around exactly,

Pankaj Raval (21:03)
Right.

That’s one thing most lawyers can do talk. That’s one thing we’re trained to do. This

is great. This is great. Yeah, it sounds beneficial a lot of lawyers out there looking to start a podcast or get into podcasting, having someone who can guide you through that whole process. That sounds fantastic. So we’re kind of reaching the end episode. I’d love one or insight.

one takeaway you would to give to listeners about of marketing or that you’re doing right now, anything you’d like to leave listeners with.

Dennis “DM” Meador (21:40)
Absolutely, I marketing is long play now. Everybody used to think I’m going to buy a month’s worth of ads in the local newspaper I’m going to buy a quarter page in the yellow pages. And I know I’m going way back and there’s maybe some Zs and Alphas listen to this. I don’t know why they would, but hey, I don’t know who your audience is. You’re going, what yellow pages? What is that? But you know, like that’s how attorneys used to think. And so to them, it was just like, I’ll do it.

Pankaj Raval (21:57)
Exactly.

Dennis “DM” Meador (22:05)
and then I get something and then I’ll do it and then I’ll get something. Whereas modern media is earning trust. So the more that there are like right now, sort of like authority building approach isn’t something that like every attorney is like we own this process you know, do give exclusivity so that we’re not working with competing attorneys. And so,

that whatever you do, whether it’s your website, which I mean, we’re in a big time of change, we could have talked about it’s media or it’s a YouTube or paid ads or whatever it is, understand that it will take time for two reasons. first reason people rarely one

That’s it. I’m picking them. watch they kind lurk. Like have you ever watched your social media stats and seen how many lurkers you have? I’ll look at a stat and then I’ll look at a post and it’ll be likes, 400 click throughs. And I’m like, couldn’t like 10 % of you just click the like if you wanted it, you know, but the good thing is the algorithms read that now, but it takes time. You have to build those assets. You have to build that consistency.

Pankaj Raval (22:56)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Dennis “DM” Meador (23:13)
Don’t go do four podcasts and be like, I didn’t get any business. I just forget this. Don’t go, you know, make four informational YouTube videos and then be like, I didn’t get anything. I forget things take time. And so that would be my biggest encouragement is just it takes time. The lucky thing is it doesn’t always take as much time as you’re afraid as it might. So, know, I’m not saying you got to invest for five years with our program. We tell our clients the first four months.

Your friends, family, maybe even a few warm leads are going to come trickling in and say, hey, I saw your stuff. This is great. They’ll start interacting with it, which will then start bumping it the second cycle of five, six, seven, eight. Now you’ll start getting calls and interaction from people who didn’t already know who you were before they came upon this content. So again, it just takes time.

Pankaj Raval (23:57)
Let’s

Yeah, it’s great insight. And it’s so true. You I, definitely have to be willing to play the long game. think with podcasting and a lot of social media, it’s not overnight. You know, people who are successful, you know, can, take a year or a couple of years, you know, to really see, see significant payoffs. But I think that, I think the algorithms, the companies do reward people who are persistent and continue to do it. So just something to keep in mind as you kind of think about embarking on this journey, you have to be willing to play, play that long game, because you really just not going to see anything on on the short side.

if you just try to do it for a couple of months. So, fantastic. I really appreciate all the insight you’ve shared. I think this has been really valuable for anyone looking to understand more about marketing. Where do people find you in case they’re looking to get in touch?

Dennis “DM” Meador (24:38)
Simplest probably LinkedIn, you know, and I try to share some pretty meaty stuff, some decent stuff there and videos just because you got to the algorithm what it wants. But, you know, I’ve got a piece of content that I just finished that is about essentially clarity on the dashes and having to do with the way that the new LLM models index content. And so everyone’s, you know, I take my dashes out and it’s like,

Pankaj Raval (24:46)
Yeah.

Dennis “DM” Meador (25:02)
That’s how they index. That’s like bragging in 2005 that you removed your meta tags and your keywords. like, I mean, sure, like as a human, might not see dashes now. So, okay. But in the long run, you’re basically building content for yourself in the moment when you don’t follow the rules.

Pankaj Raval (25:03)
Yeah.

Right, right.

Right,

Good insight, good stuff maybe for another episode. Or if you guys want to learn more, reach out because I think there’s definitely something to learn there. So with that said, we’re going to wrap up today. I really appreciate everyone for listening. We’re going to be including the links to get in touch with Dennis in the show notes.

and also some links to other resources that we might have mentioned here today. And again, thank you for listening to Letters Intent. I am Pankaj Raval with Carbon Law Group, the law firm for deal makers and risk takers. We are helping all types of business owners from one to $50 million in all types of transactions and also trademark issues that you might face. So please reach out if you have any questions or if you can be of help in any way. Thank you again for your time and listening. We really appreciate it. Until next time.

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